[Coral-List] Octopus punches fishes

Wed Dec 23 18:47:24 UTC 2020

Hello all,

For those interested in the environmental and ethical reasons to avoid
octopus farming, please see this thought provoking piece:

"The case against octopus farming" by Jacquet et al.
https://issues.org/the-case-against-octopus-farming/

Warmly,
Katie

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Octopus punches fishes (Eduardo Sampaio)
   2. Re: Octopus punches fishes (David Blakeway)
   3. Re: Octopus punches fishes (Steve Mussman)
   4. Re: Octopus punches fishes (Alina Szmant)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 17:30:15 +0000
From: Eduardo Sampaio <edusilvasampaio at gmail.com>
To: David Blakeway <fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com>
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 Hi David,

Glad you liked it!
There is also a rising interest on (and feasibility of) octopus aquaculture
which is bringing some ethical questions into light. Personally, I think
they should be treated as vertebrates are.
Regarding the train track, I'm actually not sure (researchers from Eilat
that are part of this list will know better), but maybe it was related with
the underwater 'habitat' that was active there some years ago under Hans
Fricke? If someone can answer, I would love to know as well.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 11:54, David Blakeway <
fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great! Thanks Eduardo. They are quite beautiful and mysterious.
> It makes me a little depressed that our Western Australian government has
> just approved a large scale wild catch fishery of the local O. tetricus
> without, as far as I can see, any ethical considerations. The title of the
> government report says it all:
> Octopus resource of Western Australia harvest strategy 2018-2022.
> What is the train-track looking thing in video 1?
>
>

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 05:56:05 +0800
From: David Blakeway <fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com>
To: Eduardo Sampaio <edusilvasampaio at gmail.com>
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Ahh, I see. I think you've identified the loophole used in Western
Australia: invertebrate = non-sentient. I will have to discuss this with
our mantis shrimp...

...ok, talked it over with her. She is actually fully supportive of octopus
genocide!

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:30 AM Eduardo Sampaio <edusilvasampaio at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Glad you liked it!
> There is also a rising interest on (and feasibility of) octopus
> aquaculture which is bringing some ethical questions into light.
> Personally, I think they should be treated as vertebrates are.
> Regarding the train track, I'm actually not sure (researchers from Eilat
> that are part of this list will know better), but maybe it was related
with
> the underwater 'habitat' that was active there some years ago under Hans
> Fricke? If someone can answer, I would love to know as well.
>
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 11:54, David Blakeway <
> fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Great! Thanks Eduardo. They are quite beautiful and mysterious.
>> It makes me a little depressed that our Western Australian government has
>> just approved a large scale wild catch fishery of the local O. tetricus
>> without, as far as I can see, any ethical considerations. The title of
the
>> government report says it all:
>> Octopus resource of Western Australia harvest strategy 2018-2022.
>> What is the train-track looking thing in video 1?
>>
>>

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 07:16:33 -0500
From: Steve Mussman <sealab at earthlink.net>
To: Eduardo Sampaio via Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>,
        David Blakeway <fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com>
Cc: coral list <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Octopus punches fishes
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Enjoyed the videos. Simply put, octopuses are fascinating. After many
varied interactions with cephalopods I?ve long deferred from considering
them as a food source. I try to politely express this preference whenever
the subject arises, whether it be with friends, sushi chefs or scientists.
I realize that octopus aquaculture makes good sense to some, but it?s still
disquieting to me. And sorry, but suggesting that we treat octopuses as we
do vertebrates is not particularly reassuring.

Regards,

Steve Mussman

On 12/22/20, 12:30 PM, Eduardo Sampaio via Coral-List <
coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:

Hi David,

Glad you liked it!

There is also a rising interest on (and feasibility of) octopus aquaculture

which is bringing some ethical questions into light. Personally, I think

they should be treated as vertebrates are.

Regarding the train track, I'm actually not sure (researchers from Eilat

that are part of this list will know better), but maybe it was related with

the underwater 'habitat' that was active there some years ago under Hans

Fricke? If someone can answer, I would love to know as well.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 11:54, David Blakeway <

fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great! Thanks Eduardo. They are quite beautiful and mysterious.

> It makes me a little depressed that our Western Australian government has

> just approved a large scale wild catch fishery of the local O. tetricus

> without, as far as I can see, any ethical considerations. The title of the

> government report says it all:

> Octopus resource of Western Australia harvest strategy 2018-2022.

> What is the train-track looking thing in video 1?

>

>

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:46:21 +0000
From: Alina Szmant <alina at cisme-instruments.com>
To: Eduardo Sampaio <edusilvasampaio at gmail.com>, David Blakeway
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And once again, another beautiful and unique species will be eaten to
extinction.  Sad. Humans are the worst.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

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From: Eduardo Sampaio via Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
Date: 12/22/20 3:07 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: David Blakeway <fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com>
Cc: coral list <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Octopus punches fishes

Hi David,

Glad you liked it!
There is also a rising interest on (and feasibility of) octopus aquaculture
which is bringing some ethical questions into light. Personally, I think
they should be treated as vertebrates are.
Regarding the train track, I'm actually not sure (researchers from Eilat
that are part of this list will know better), but maybe it was related with
the underwater 'habitat' that was active there some years ago under Hans
Fricke? If someone can answer, I would love to know as well.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 11:54, David Blakeway <
fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great! Thanks Eduardo. They are quite beautiful and mysterious.
> It makes me a little depressed that our Western Australian government has
> just approved a large scale wild catch fishery of the local O. tetricus
> without, as far as I can see, any ethical considerations. The title of the
> government report says it all:
> Octopus resource of Western Australia harvest strategy 2018-2022.
> What is the train-track looking thing in video 1?
>
>
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