[Coral-List] Octopus punches fishes

[Steve Mussman]

Thanks Katie!

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On 12/23/20, 1:47 PM, Katie Cramer via Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:

Hello all,

For those interested in the environmental and ethical reasons to avoid

octopus farming, please see this thought provoking piece:

"The case against octopus farming" by Jacquet et al.

https://issues.org/the-case-against-octopus-farming/

Warmly,

Katie

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Octopus punches fishes (Eduardo Sampaio)

2. Re: Octopus punches fishes (David Blakeway)

3. Re: Octopus punches fishes (Steve Mussman)

4. Re: Octopus punches fishes (Alina Szmant)

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Message: 1

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 17:30:15 +0000

From: Eduardo Sampaio

To: David Blakeway

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Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Octopus punches fishes

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Hi David,

Glad you liked it!

There is also a rising interest on (and feasibility of) octopus aquaculture

which is bringing some ethical questions into light. Personally, I think

they should be treated as vertebrates are.

Regarding the train track, I'm actually not sure (researchers from Eilat

that are part of this list will know better), but maybe it was related with

the underwater 'habitat' that was active there some years ago under Hans

Fricke? If someone can answer, I would love to know as well.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 11:54, David Blakeway <

fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great! Thanks Eduardo. They are quite beautiful and mysterious.

> It makes me a little depressed that our Western Australian government has

> just approved a large scale wild catch fishery of the local O. tetricus

> without, as far as I can see, any ethical considerations. The title of the

> government report says it all:

> Octopus resource of Western Australia harvest strategy 2018-2022.

> What is the train-track looking thing in video 1?

>

>

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 05:56:05 +0800

From: David Blakeway

To: Eduardo Sampaio

Cc: coral list

Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Octopus punches fishes

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Ahh, I see. I think you've identified the loophole used in Western

Australia: invertebrate = non-sentient. I will have to discuss this with

our mantis shrimp...

...ok, talked it over with her. She is actually fully supportive of octopus

genocide!

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:30 AM Eduardo Sampaio

wrote:

> Hi David,

>

> Glad you liked it!

> There is also a rising interest on (and feasibility of) octopus

> aquaculture which is bringing some ethical questions into light.

> Personally, I think they should be treated as vertebrates are.

> Regarding the train track, I'm actually not sure (researchers from Eilat

> that are part of this list will know better), but maybe it was related

with

> the underwater 'habitat' that was active there some years ago under Hans

> Fricke? If someone can answer, I would love to know as well.

>

> On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 11:54, David Blakeway <

> fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> Great! Thanks Eduardo. They are quite beautiful and mysterious.

>> It makes me a little depressed that our Western Australian government has

>> just approved a large scale wild catch fishery of the local O. tetricus

>> without, as far as I can see, any ethical considerations. The title of

the

>> government report says it all:

>> Octopus resource of Western Australia harvest strategy 2018-2022.

>> What is the train-track looking thing in video 1?

>>

>>

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Message: 3

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 07:16:33 -0500

From: Steve Mussman

To: Eduardo Sampaio via Coral-List ,

David Blakeway

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Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Octopus punches fishes

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Enjoyed the videos. Simply put, octopuses are fascinating. After many

varied interactions with cephalopods I?ve long deferred from considering

them as a food source. I try to politely express this preference whenever

the subject arises, whether it be with friends, sushi chefs or scientists.

I realize that octopus aquaculture makes good sense to some, but it?s still

disquieting to me. And sorry, but suggesting that we treat octopuses as we

do vertebrates is not particularly reassuring.

Regards,

Steve Mussman

On 12/22/20, 12:30 PM, Eduardo Sampaio via Coral-List <

coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:

Hi David,

Glad you liked it!

There is also a rising interest on (and feasibility of) octopus aquaculture

which is bringing some ethical questions into light. Personally, I think

they should be treated as vertebrates are.

Regarding the train track, I'm actually not sure (researchers from Eilat

that are part of this list will know better), but maybe it was related with

the underwater 'habitat' that was active there some years ago under Hans

Fricke? If someone can answer, I would love to know as well.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 11:54, David Blakeway <

fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great! Thanks Eduardo. They are quite beautiful and mysterious.

> It makes me a little depressed that our Western Australian government has

> just approved a large scale wild catch fishery of the local O. tetricus

> without, as far as I can see, any ethical considerations. The title of the

> government report says it all:

> Octopus resource of Western Australia harvest strategy 2018-2022.

> What is the train-track looking thing in video 1?

>

>

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Message: 4

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:46:21 +0000

From: Alina Szmant

To: Eduardo Sampaio , David Blakeway

Cc: coral list

Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Octopus punches fishes

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And once again, another beautiful and unique species will be eaten to

extinction. Sad. Humans are the worst.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

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From: Eduardo Sampaio via Coral-List

Date: 12/22/20 3:07 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: David Blakeway

Cc: coral list

Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Octopus punches fishes

Hi David,

Glad you liked it!

There is also a rising interest on (and feasibility of) octopus aquaculture

which is bringing some ethical questions into light. Personally, I think

they should be treated as vertebrates are.

Regarding the train track, I'm actually not sure (researchers from Eilat

that are part of this list will know better), but maybe it was related with

the underwater 'habitat' that was active there some years ago under Hans

Fricke? If someone can answer, I would love to know as well.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 11:54, David Blakeway <

fathom5marineresearch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great! Thanks Eduardo. They are quite beautiful and mysterious.

> It makes me a little depressed that our Western Australian government has

> just approved a large scale wild catch fishery of the local O. tetricus

> without, as far as I can see, any ethical considerations. The title of the

> government report says it all:

> Octopus resource of Western Australia harvest strategy 2018-2022.

> What is the train-track looking thing in video 1?

>

>

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