[Coral-List] trends in monitoring data on reefs in Barbados, short popular piece
Risk, Michael
riskmj at mcmaster.ca
Sat Nov 5 13:29:19 UTC 2022
Angie, I am not sure what point you are trying to make here. I will try
to fumble out a response.
I am sure Dr Valles is an excellent scientist. Despite my many visits
to Barbados, I have never met him-although at my age, memory is
undependable. My comment was in no way a reflection on him.
It was entirely fair of me to point out that the intellectual edifice
at McGill from which he came no longer exists. McGill gave us John
Lewis, Colin Stearn (and that great Stearn-Scoffin collaboration),
Henry Reiswig, Finn Sander, Tom Tomascik and many more-but some decades
ago, the Dean at the time came to the building housing Marine Sciences
and announced that they no longer had a home. That building was going
to be turned over to the Flavour of the Month.
The Dean is long gone, the flavour has faded, and Bellairs lies in
tatters. In case anyone thinks universities are run by intelligent,
far-seeing sages, let me point out that, even in those Dean Days, it
should have been obvious that we would need ecologists far more than we
would need whatever it was that took Marine Sciences' place.
The concrete statement I made was simply to say that an article talking
about "signs of hope" on reefs contained zero data. We are all well
aware of the crisis that besets reefs. There are a gazillion "reef
rehabilitation" efforts under way. Some of these have been running for
>a decade, and some have soaked up piles of money. It is entirely fair
to ask to see the results.
A while ago, we were treated to "100 Yards of Hype". Oh, sorry, typo.
That should be "Hope." This outplanted a football-sized are off
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Should we not be seeing the data on survival of these explants?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but very few (if any!) of the many
reef rehab projects under way now incorporate the essential preamble:
all efforts will fail unless we clean up the water.
They say that one of the signs of senility is repeating the same
statement over and over in the hope that someone is listening.
Mike
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From: Angie Brathwaite <abrathwaite at blue-finance.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2022 5:45 AM
To: Risk, Michael <riskmj at mcmaster.ca>; coral list
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Subject: Re: [Coral-List] trends in monitoring data on reefs in
Barbados, short popular piece
Good to hear you Mike... but you didn't ask...you made a concrete
statement.
Henri Valles is a lecturer at the University of the West Indies ... and
an excellent scientist. Thought I'd mention this as i'm not sure where
you were going with your comment about McGill.
You can contact him directly for further info and that's my final
comment re this thread.
Peace
Angie
From: Risk, Michael <riskmj at mcmaster.ca>
Date: Friday, 4 November 2022 at 4:59 PM
To: Angie Brathwaite <abrathwaite at blue-finance.org>, coral list
<coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>, Douglas Fenner
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Subject: Re: [Coral-List] trends in monitoring data on reefs in
Barbados, short popular piece
Hi Angie. Nice to talk to you again. The article mentioned "hopeful
signs of recovery", so it was fair of me to ask about those. Some of
the large amounts of funding to Barbados devoted to reef recovery have
now been running for several years. Given the enormous impact ANY
hopeful signs would have in the Caribbean, may we hope for results to
published soon?
As you say, the article discussed careers in science. The person
featured, Henri Valles, got his degree at McGill, back in the day.
McGill has now abandoned any pretense of being interested in marine
science. For careers in this exciting yet frustrating field, young
people would be advised to investigate (in Canada) places like
Memorial, Dalhousie, UBC and Simon Fraser. (No, not McMaster.)
Mike
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From: Angie Brathwaite <abrathwaite at blue-finance.org>
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 1:58 AM
To: Risk, Michael <riskmj at mcmaster.ca>; coral list
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Subject: Re: [Coral-List] trends in monitoring data on reefs in
Barbados, short popular piece
...but Mike...we don't solely have pretty pictures. We have
comprehensive data and reports ..produced since 1982...on temporal
changes in coral reef communities. You can request these reports from
the Coastal Zone Management Unit or CERMES of the University of the
West Indies. This lovely article was to highlight careers in Marine
Science...and it brought a smile to my day and a bounce to my step (and
not only because I'm Barbadian).
These results are also not linked to any coral reef restoration
programmes...
Thanks for posting Doug.
Peace
Angie
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Subject: Re: [Coral-List] trends in monitoring data on reefs in
Barbados, short popular piece
A pretty picture with no data is hardly convincing evidence of
anything, let alone recovery.
It would be far more interesting to see the results of the oceans of
money Barbados has received for "Reef Restoration."
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Barbados,
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Spotting hopeful signs for coral health in Barbados's backyard.
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