[Coral-List] corals can eat their zooxanthellae

Sat Aug 26 04:28:28 UTC 2023

Dear Alina,

The fact is that many on the list are educators, field workers, managers,
and technicians, should be understood.  Also, many of us have families and
full time jobs, with very little free time.  Even for the professional
scientists, it is impossible to keep up with all aspects of our field:
cellular biology, biochemistry, immunology and coral diseases, genetics of
host and symbionts, ecology, taxonomy, geology, etc.   So while I highly
respect all of your contributions to the field, and I understand that this
judgemental/ belittling/ competitive trait is a cultural thing dominant in
the USA and in some ways expected, others in the field provide better
models for what I think we should be striving for, as far as respect for
mental and professional diversity, with the aim of working together with
more unity of purpose. Many just think what you wrote- few write it, so
thanks for being honest.

Yor post provides a perfect talking point for something that has troubled
me for decades.  It is an example of why so many are insecure about asking
questions on the list and in conferences etc- it is for fear of being
judged, belittled, and ridiculed.  My academic experience was frankly
horrific- not because of the course material, which was amazing, but
because I was often judged for being mentally divergent and being a
Baha'i.  Your reply brings all of that back. But to the young people out
there who feel intimidated or somehow different- it is my mental divergence
(dyslexia and mild autism) but that and persistence have been my greatest
strengths over the long run, because it has allowed me to connect the dots
of the various facts that are not well linked by others or in the
literature. My being so impacted by the unkindness of our academic culture
also forced me into much kinder and more respectful cultures like what I
experienced in Puerto Rico for my PhD (Muchas Gracias mis amigos!), and
then for my life's work in the Pacific Islands (Vinka, Korba, Talofa,
Sulang, Kinisou, Kalagan, Tankyu).

Attitudes in academia do matter, especially when dished out those well
accomplished and highly respected. It is sad that sensitive people and
those from gentler cultures are faced with a system that is starkly
judgemental and unkind, on top of being filled with immense pressures.
While some may be able to deal with this, some of us can't, but it does not
have to be this way.  How many amazing talents have dropped out of academia
due to this?  We have so much that needs to be transformed in our world,
not just the energy production and economic systems, but also social and
educational systems.

We need all hands on deck, we need everyone reading this to become part of
the solution. Never think you are lesser than others, nor exalt ourselves
over others.  And if you are mentally divergent- I advise you to stop
trying to become like others and to find your super powers!  The world
needs superheroes right now!

Loving regards to all,

Austin

Austin Bowden-Kerby, PhD
Corals for Conservation
P.O. Box 4649 Samabula, Fiji Islands
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<https://www.globalgiving.org/projects/emergency-response-to-massive-coral-bleaching/>

On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 1:31 PM Alina Szmant <alina at cisme-instruments.com>
wrote:

> It is a shame that so many people who have an interest in coral reefs
> haven't either had the opportunity to take a higher level coral reef
> ecology and physiology course, or in lieu of this, taken the time to
> actually read the scientific literature. I was of the impression that when
> Coral-List was started by Jim Hendee it was oriented to coral reef
> scientists communicating with each other about substantive coral reef
> topics. It was open to all which is a good way for those with little
> background to learn from scientists with more experience. Over the years, I
> find that this scenario has changed and it is now more a forum for
> afficionados, but not necessarily ones with any background in the science
> of corals and coral reefs. I have shelves of books about all kinds of
> geological, ecological and biological aspects of corals that I use to brush
> up on topics, and there have been excellent overview books over the decades
> for those who take the time to read them. e.g. Ecosystems of the World Vol
> 25 Coral Reefs (1990). Then there is https://scholar.google.com for more
> specific literature searches.
>
> I am sorry, but I will not apologize for being shocked that in 2023 people
> on this list would be so uninformed about coral biology to not know what is
> basically general knowledge that corals digest some of their zooxanthellae.
> As Rob pointed out, the first paper on this was by Boschma back in 1925. He
> also did cool experiments showing how he could infect aposymbiotic corals
> with zooxanthellae by feeding them bits of zooxanthellate coral tissue
> mixed up with crab meat. He did a lot of his research with the cold water
> coral Astrangia danae (now poculata). I used to spend hours and hours
> reading the literature to catch up with what had been learned over the
> decades, even centuries, before I came along. Apparently that doesn't
> happen anymore: everyone is too busy reinventing the wheel. I was at the
> Bremen ISRS and did come away with the impression that oh so many young and
> intelligent researchers are underprepared for tackling major research
> topics because of lack of knowledge with which to reason with.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Coral-List <coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> On Behalf Of
> Vassil Zlatarski via Coral-List
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 7:04 PM
> To: Coral-List Subscribers <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>; Austin
> Bowden-Kerby <abowdenkerby at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] corals can eat their zooxanthellae
>
> You are again right, Austin, and let's start discussing the best way to
> overcome this situation.
>
> Isn't  a contemporary TREATISE ON CORALS a long time awaited?
>
> The "most recent" coral treatises were written by great geologists T. W.
> Vaughan,  J. W. Wells (in English), and  J. Alloteau (in French).  They
> were published in the middle of last century and offered predominantly
> paleontological knowledge of that time.  The treatise by J.-P. Chevalier
> appeared posthumously in 1987, in Traité de Zoologie, offering also
> considerable information on living corals.  Unjustly, being published in
> French it received very limited use.
>
> The project for two volumes dedicated to Scleractinia in the series
> T*reatise on Invertebrate Paleontology* started in the beginning of this
> century ...
>
> It would be great to succeed in realizing an efficient neontological
> project for the Scleractinia treatise.  Coral-List is a great place to
> discuss it, and what opportunity with the existing Series* Coral Reefs of
> the World?  *
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vassil
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 4:27 PM Austin Bowden-Kerby via Coral-List <
> coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
>
> > Cool Doug- and something I too was unaware of, even if it was
> > previously known.  : )
> >
> > Many key findings and information in technical areas such as
> > biochemistry, genetics etc, does not get translated into the
> > general/public knowledge of coral reefs, or into a form whereby it can
> > be easily assimilated by university students and workers in the field,
> > who until recently had poor access to publications, especially to
> > those that are not mainstream to our field.  Is there a simple summary
> > I can read somewhere?  I am constantly playing catch up.
> >
> > I never understood the specific energy and nutrient transfer
> > mechanisms of the symbiosis, as it was not taught when I was a
> > graduate student, and somehow I missed it subsequently.  I always
> > wondered if the algae generously and altruistically leaked out sugars
> > and proteins for the host to use, as that is what the public
> > information seems to imply, or if the host had to digest the algae to
> > get them?  Do any of these papers tell us how and where they digest
> > the algae, does the algae have to be expelled into the gastrovascular
> > cavity or can it happen intracellularly?  If intracellular digestion
> occurs, then how to get rid of the wastes?
> >
> > And another question, how do the algae leak out and get shared with
> > incoming juvenile corals? As the algae are flagellated and can swim,
> > how do they get out to swim away?
> >
> > And lastly, to Alina, opioids are no excuse for publicly shaming
> > someone and being rude.  It is no wonder that so many of our younger
> > scientists and those more sensitive are so terrified of posting on the
> > Coral List.  I was for years, but I got over it, as science is failing
> us at this critical
> > point in history - our house is on fire!   We know so much about a system
> > that may soon be gone.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Austin
> >
> > Austin Bowden-Kerby, PhD
> > Corals for Conservation
> > P.O. Box 4649 Samabula, Fiji Islands
> >
> > https://www.corals4conservation.org
> > Publication on C4C's coral-focused climate change adaptation strategies:
> > https://www.mdpi.com/2673-1924/4/1/2/pdf
> > Film on our "Reefs of Hope" coral restoration for climate change
> > adaptation
> > strategies:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG0lqKciXAA
> >
> > https://www.globalgiving.org/projects/emergency-response-to-massive-co
> > ral-bleaching/
> > <
> > https://www.globalgiving.org/projects/emergency-response-to-massive-co
> > ral-bleaching/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 1:58 AM Alina Szmant via Coral-List <
> > coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
> >
> > > I know that I am on opiods due to my recent surgery, but this
> > > message makes me feel that I must be living in an alternative
> > > universe that is informationally separated from previous century. We
> > > knew that corals can digest and assimilate their zooxanthellae since
> > > Muscatine, Trench,  Yonge and other researchers work many decades
> > > ago. So your message makes we wonder if people simply just don't
> > > bother to read the literature,  or younger researchers are caught up
> > > in the "Breaking News" mindset.  I haven't looked at the papers yet,
> > > but my guess is that the new work is
> > just
> > > adding details to a fact and process that has been long known.  So
> > > maybe just modify the messaging, such as "new information about the
> > > harvesting
> > of
> > > zooxanthellae by their anthozoan hosts" would be more appropriate.
> > > Nice
> > to
> > > kearn new details about how nature works, but the sensationalism
> > > should left for cable news coverage of plane crashes and celebrity
> arrests.
> > >
> > > Alina Szmant
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dr. Alina M. Szmant,  CEO
> > > CISME Instruments LLC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original message --------
> > > From: Douglas Fenner via Coral-List <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> > > Date: 8/24/23 11:06 PM (GMT-05:00)
> > > To: coral list <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
> > > Subject: [Coral-List] corals can eat their zooxanthellae
> > >
> > > Like hard-working farmers, corals cultivate and eat their resident
> > > algae
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > https://www.science.org/content/article/hard-working-farmers-corals-cu
> > ltivate-and-eat-their-resident-algae
> > >
> > > Corals have algal friends for dinner
> > >
> > > https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02593-7
> > >
> > > Note author contact
> > >
> > > Reef-building corals farm and feed on their photosynthetic symbionts
> > >
> > >  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06442-5
> > >
> > > open-access
> > >
> > > It sounded like from the popular accounts that the corals only did
> > > that when the water they were in had zero nutrients in it, they
> > > didn't do it
> > in
> > > low-nutrient water that is typical of tropical reefs in oligotrophic
> > > waters.  That's what it sounded like at least.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Doug
> > >
> > > --
> > > Douglas Fenner
> > > Lynker Technologies, LLC, Contractor NOAA Fisheries Service Pacific
> > > Islands Regional Office Honolulu
> > > and:
> > > Coral Reef Consulting
> > > PO Box 997390
> > > Pago Pago, American Samoa 96799-6298  USA
> > >
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